“When you’re dead… you’re dead!”

In this generation, it seems to me that death is a taboo subject. When people start talking about death, the subject is quickly changed. Even though death is one of the few certain things in life, people don’t want to talk about it. But the fact is that everyone will die. And we are all just ticking time bombs, waiting for that last second to tick and then… gone. People will talk about you as someone who has lived. There will be a funeral, there will be cries and memories, and then eventually, most probably, you’ll be forgotten. At this point, some of you will be thinking, ‘Oh, you’re so morbid!’, which only proves my first point; people know they are going to die, but they don’t want to talk about it.

Have you heard phrases like ‘live life to the full’ and ‘live every day as if it’s your last’? They’re all about living, aren’t they? But what about death? Everyone says “Don’t talk about it!” Which is why, when people who aren’t Christians get asked about eternity, many will say “When you’re dead, you’re dead!” It’s an easy option out.

Socrates said “When you’re faced with a mystery, proceed with caution”. Do you know what that means? It mean’s when you’re faced with something you don’t know about, be careful about your skepticism! Nobody knows entirely about death. You’ve never felt or experienced death until you’ve died!

William Kant said that ‘Everyone knows that we will survive the grave, if we don’t survive the grave, then why do people live morally right lives if it doesn’t make a change? Why don’t they live as they please?’ or something of that effect. In other words, he was saying that after death, there is some sort of judgement – he wasn’t a Christian.

People haven’t always said “When you’re dead, you’re dead”. This is a new thing. Yet do people really accept this answer as an answer to the question, “What happens when you die?”. I don’t think so.

That’s why people are interested in the occult, mediums and so on and so forth. They want to contact people who have died. If they thought that when you’re dead, you’re dead, why are they bothering to contact dead relatives? What about people with ‘near-death experiences’? Why is it that people who have had these ‘near death experiences’ soon become top news headlines. Everyone wants to know about death, because really, people don’t accept that when you’re dead, you’re dead.

Now for the Christian bit:

I’m going to say that Jesus rose from the grave. There was a resurrection. The problem that many of you will now have is that you don’t think this to be true. Why do you think that? I can probably tell you why; it’s because your starting place when faced with the question, “Is there a resurrection?” is “Resurrections don’t happen”, and therefore, you discount Christ’s resurrection from the dead. But this produces a problem. Because those who don’t take the same starting place as you never come to the same conclusion as you. They always come to the conclusion that there is  resurrection. And for all it’s worth, that doesn’t mean that all those people are Christians, though many do become Christians.

And it wasn’t just Jesus who rose from the dead either. The Bible talks about others who rose from the dead at the same time as Christ. And if you throw the old ‘I don’t believe the Bible’ stuff at me, then there are many Christians and people who aren’t Christians who are seeing people rise from the dead today. They are people who see it daily. And if their word isn’t enough, then you can go out to where they’re based and see for yourself. For those of you who are Christians, one such lady who sees this regularly is none other than Heidi Baker.

1 Corinthians 15:

The Resurrection of the Dead

12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30 And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31 I face death every day—yes, just as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32 If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus with no more than human hopes, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,

“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”

33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

The Resurrection Body

35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same: People have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we bear the image of the heavenly man.

50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

55 “Where, O death, is your victory?
Where, O death, is your sting?”

56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

58 Therefore, my dear brothers and sisters, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.

For those who believe that once you’re dead, you’re dead, death is swallowed up in mourning, crying, pain and despair. For Christians, death is swallowed up in victory. “Death, where is your sting?!” the Christian cries.

People, if what I’m saying is right, then what I’m saying is marvellous and wonderful, is it not? Life after death. Amazing.

If what I’m saying is wrong, then I’m just as dead as you are. No hope. To the person who isn’t a Christian, I ask this, “Which one of us in this matter is the wiser one?” and before you answer that question, remember what Socrates said;

When you’re faced with a mystery, proceed with caution

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Dean Roberts

Dean is a Minister in the Anglican Church. Currently he is Curate in the parishes of Bedwas, Machen, Michaelston-y-Fedw and Rudry in South Wales. He was born and bred in Wales, is married to Megan, and has two dogs called Taliesin and Melyn, and two cats named Sinsir and Hâf. He graduated from Cardiff University with a BA Hons. in Theology & Religious Studies, and has studied for an MA in Theology, Ministry & Mission at Trinity College Bristol. He also holds a Cert.RSCM from the Royal School of Church Music. He loves playing music, walking, reading, blogging and horse riding as well as going to the cinema and theatre. Read More @ http://deanroberts.net/about

  • That’s why people are interested in the occult, mediums and so on and so forth. They want to contact people who have died. If they thought that when you’re dead, you’re dead, why are they bothering to contact dead relatives? What about people with ‘near-death experiences’? Why is it that people who have had these ‘near death experiences’ soon become top news headlines. Everyone wants to know about death, because really, people don’t accept that when you’re dead, you’re dead.

    That quote doesn’t sound very Kantian, though I don’t claim to be an expert. Do you have a reference for it?

     

    Anyway, 16 years or so, I turned to spiirtualism and occult and mediums and the like. And then I realized something: that it was as much made up nonsense as the rest of it. No one has any real proof or evidence or, in fact, anything at all. People write things that other people believe, and so it starts. And so it has been, for thousands upon thousands of years, since the first human stood upon a rock and harangued his own villagers: “Hrug believe flashy-bang-bang man in sky angry. You believe what Hrug believe. Give him gold. NOW! Or I kill you first.”

    Villager: “Hrug show us flashy-bang-bang man in sky. Show him us now. Now!”

    Hrug: “Heathen! Blasphemer! I kill you first.”

    And so it went, century after century after century. Now we fight over what no one has ever seen or described from first experience. We don’t even know what the original holy books said, being written in now long-dead languages and all that.

    The point is that it is within your power to end atheism forever and immediately. All you have to do is furnish indisputable proof. As they say, extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.  Or as they say in book writing classes, “Show, don’t tell.”

  • What do we know about the living?  We know, in some detail, the biological requirements for life.  We need to breathe, we can’t do without that for more than a few minutes.  We need to eat and drink and take on fuel to sustain our bodies.  It is a matter of weeks of going without food and days without water before we die.  Our body temperatures must be maintained within a few degrees or we’ll die, painfully.

    The dead don’t breathe, eat or drink.  They are the temperature of their surroundings.  They don’t heal from injury.  The flesh rots very quickly and is consumed even faster if the worms get you.

    We know that damage to the brain can alter our perceptions and personalities.  We know that this can be simulated by causing an imbalance in our brain chemistry.  There are numerous examples of this.

    These are facts, they are inescapable.

    What is it that you think lives on after your brain is gone?  A soul?  We have no evidence that such a thing even exists.  We have no mechanism where our thoughts, personality, etc could be linked to such a thing even if our thoughts and personality were somehow static and independent of our brains.

    What happens to you after you die?  We know the answer to this.  We rot away till there is nothing left.  What makes “me” or “you” does not go on after death.  Death is an end to life.  It may give you comfort to believe otherwise but doesn’t make it true.